zuzu said:Mustbnuts, I see what you mean about Judith Belsham Singer. I want all of her roses, especially the ones that aren't being sold anywhere yet. The whole Spritzzz! line is so appealing.

https://www.helpmefind.com/gar...

Good lawdy some of those are absolutely beautiful.

I put in the last of my new roses last week, so now time to wait to see how they adapt and grow.

RpR said:I put in the last of my new roses last week, so now time to wait to see how they adapt and grow.

As of now, all roses, in both gardens, appear to be doing well.
One that arrived with a very, very long main stem, actually only stem, when it developed leaves bent over and was lying on the ground.
I tied it up with a metal rod.
When I planted I was short on time, plus carrying heavy shovels full of dirt from the spot, and back , a round trip of about sixty feet, was annoying as my wheel barrow tire was flat so I cut corners.
The new holes were probably, on average, no more than 12 inches wide and deep , though some due to digging out tree roots were far from round and deeper.
All are sitting in dirt bowls, as up here too deep is better than too high.
Even though I did not get back during a hot dry set of days, when I got back none seemed to be suffering although one looked a bit tepid.
I fixed the wheel barrow and partially filled the bowls with compost and and/or goat and cattle manure when I went back last week.

I begin by saying that I have only lived with this (lack of) garden for a bit less than two years having moved here in July 2018. There was no gardening done in the first six months after arrival ... my household goods did not even arrive from the US for three. The space I am working is essentially a small (1/4 acre) flat, exposed, weed infested field. The most daunting aspect is just deciding where to begin - so I feel vindicated posting here by saying that the first 'real' plants put in the ground in very early Spring of 2019 were roses. To create separation between the field and the future potager I planted a hedge of ten Queen of Sweden roses. Since then I've received and planted my 2020 roses (which pale in comparison to your lists!) these include two I've grown and enjoyed before;
Graham Thomas
Gertrude Jekyl, and three I have not previously grown;
Claire Austin
Paul Neyron
Mme. Alfred Carriere - which has thus far been a fabulous rose, growing healthily with very fragrant blooms which hold their petals when cut, and there are few thorns.
I am hunting for a Julia Child rose (known here as Anisade), but my experience is that french nurseries do not offer a very wide variety of plants, one needs to be patient and watchful.
I am open to other suggestions for particularly worthy roses; strongly scented and tolerant of hot and fairly dry summers. Though they do get a bit of supplemental summer water. I am particularly fond of pale yellow roses and otherwise less technicolor ones.

Mme. Alfred Carriere

Weluvroses said:

Good lawdy some of those are absolutely beautiful.

Cranberry orange spritzzzz is beyond gorgeous! I have such limited space that I'm crippled by fear of missing out. Once it's finally available I may not have a spot for it . I'm not a shovel pruner unless there's a disease issue. I get attached to my plants no matter how terrible. Case in point this terrible horizontal grower.

JBarstool said:
I am hunting for a Julia Child rose (known here as Anisade), but my experience is that french nurseries do not offer a very wide variety of plants, one needs to be patient and watchful.
I am open to other suggestions for particularly worthy roses; strongly scented and tolerant of hot and fairly dry summers. Though they do get a bit of supplemental summer water. I am particularly fond of pale yellow roses and otherwise less technicolor ones.

You live in the midst of all sorts of wonderful nurseries. Since inside Europe there's free exchange of goods, there are quite a few nurseries carrying Julia Child aka Anisade but also aka 'Absolutely Fabulous' beyond France, specially Germany.
As of HMF:
https://www.helpmefind.com/gar...
Are you more interested only in modern roses? There are quite a few pale yellow Austins. Some delightful tea roses from Rosearie du désert for instance ( see: http://www.frenchtearose.com/). However new breeders are coming up with very interesting varieties. I've been studying french breeders and nurseries for a time by now, while preparing and aiming at some future imports when the COVID settles a bit. Whenever you wish you can also T-mail me if you want to get into detailed searches.

Arturo

hampartsum said:
You live in the midst of all sorts of wonderful nurseries. Since inside Europe there's free exchange of goods, there are quite a few nurseries carrying Julia Child aka Anisade but also aka 'Absolutely Fabulous' beyond France, specially Germany.
As of HMF:
https://www.helpmefind.com/gar...
Are you more interested only in modern roses? There are quite a few pale yellow Austins. Some delightful tea roses from Rosearie du désert for instance ( see: http://www.frenchtearose.com/). However new breeders are coming up with very interesting varieties. I've been studying french breeders and nurseries for a time by now, while preparing and aiming at some future imports when the COVID settles a bit. Whenever you wish you can also T-mail me if you want to get into detailed searches.

Arturo

Thank you! No, not just modern roses...just roses that catch my fancy as I make space for them.

J, have you seen Austin's Buttercup? I want it so badly. I may wait until next year and order it directly from Austins since no one else seems to have it here (Pam at angel Gardens said hers is gone now). Looks like it is available in Belgium.
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

JBarstool said:

Thank you! No, not just modern roses...just roses that catch my fancy as I make space for them.

I just checked your location in France and it's not too far away ( perhaps 2 hours drive?), from possibly the largest nursery that carries old garden roses and species roses, HMF lists 2800 different varieties. Perhaps you might want to visit them during the blooming season:
Pepinieres Loubert very close to the Loire river.
https://www.pepiniere-roseslou...
I suggest that mainly because roses that grow well there ought to behave the same in your place.
I'm sure you'll find more than you fancy than could fit in your garden , but it really helps in focusing by becoming very selective. Nothing replaces seeing the bush "in flesh"!

Arturo

Roses are doing very well.
Never thought I would have a weed problem with potatoes but in the end where I grew them in an empty space last year, they are a problem.
The canes on one rose are very spindly and the blooms are lying on the ground.
I will have to see how to fix that.
I put down bags of cocoa bean hulls and it looks and smells pretty nice right now.

I ordered another Emmanuella de Mouchy, this time from Burlington. I want a hybrid Gigantea rose to cover an empty wall space.

I just checked at HMF around EdM. Well there are two of them. One is a hybrid gigantea ( by Paul Nabonnand 1922). The other one under the heading as "sold/found in commerce as" EdM is equivalent to Irène Bonnet ( a hybrid tea climber) by Clement Nabonnand before 1920. Which of these do you already have and which are you now ordering of the two?. Both are very interesting! Both caught my attention. My usual motto: none are available here...
Arturo

hampartsum said:I just checked at HMF around EdM. Well there are two of them. One is a hybrid gigantea ( by Paul Nabonnand 1922). The other one under the heading as "sold/found in commerce as" EdM is equivalent to Irène Bonnet ( a hybrid tea climber) by Clement Nabonnand before 1920. Which of these do you already have and which are you now ordering of the two?. Both are very interesting! Both caught my attention. My usual motto: none are available here...
Arturo

I have both, one is already planted, and the other one from Burlington, I just received it recently. Waiting for the leaves to show up. I think it was stripped when she shipped to me.
I saw a picture on Houzz from a person who lives in Santa Barbara and she has a wonderful photo of it.

Great, I hope to see your photos and compare ! I wish then success in your yard!
Arturo

Thanks Arturo, I will post a picture when I actually get a bloom.

Heirloom just announced the first day of its summer sale today, with up to 30% off select varieties and free shipping for orders over $65. A lot of the roses I want are out of stock, but I managed to order a replacement of the shrub rose (or short climber) Oranges 'n' Lemons (which didn't survive the winter move we made six years ago), and the grandiflora Crazy Love.

Oranges 'n' Lemons


Crazy Love


I have half a dozen others I wanted that were out of stock, so will have to wait till the fall when they are full price. But both were on sale and I got free shipping to boot, just for these two. Besides, the bare root roses I've ordered from Heirloom in the past have performed splendidly. The hybrid musks I've gotten from them are the largest roses in my garden (other than New Dawn), and I treat them like big climbers. And in my cold climate, bare roots have certain advantages, so I'm happy.

Not wanting to start a new thread I am going to use this one for results from new roses last season.

I am a bit worried about some of the roses I planted last spring; I uncovered the North rose bed today and I am zip for 3 as for new roses put in up here last spring.
All are dead.

One I had doubts as it never did much last summer, but one was large and healthy and it still went belly up. it was also one that was covered with fabric, and a lot of leaves so I doubt cold did it in.
All the old ones, look real good including a yellow one I was going to pull last fall.
I checked what I put in last spring fdom major sellers and at least two are not from them so when I pull them out the amount of original roots will tell me if they were box store specials.
The third one, if I cannot find, or did not write down what it was, I will do a method of elimination from those down South to see what it might be.

When I uncover the South garden where a goodly number of new ones had no fabric under the leaves, we shall see how bad last years crop may or may not have been.

I uncovered the roses down South and so far, only two went belly-up.
Once again one was a large rose that logic says should have survived as new ones close to it, which were not al large when planted, not only survived but were poking through the leaves with new growth.

I think that spot may need treatment as that is where the form huge pink rose was before it died.

While most had new growth about one half looked like they had withered a storm.
I have not trimmed off dead canes as time ran out but when I do there will be a lot of very small roses and I am not sure they will not still die.
Those under the fabric looked worse than those without, so I am going to buy a large car cover as the car cover leaves roses looking far better in spring than that fabric that is supposed to be designed for garden use.
Too heavy and stiff.

Not covering them , before covering them with leaves, makes uncovering too much of a crap shoot with chance of spiking one with a for, or stepping on one you cannot see, plus t leaves a slimy coat of wet leaves that you cannot rake or blow out so you have wait till it drys and then blow the remaining leaves out before adding mulch.
The leaves would eventually decompose but as it is now , it looks half-assed and dirty.