Zoia said: The only problem with the broken color ones ( I love them, personally) is that they sometimes throw fans that have reverted back to single color blooms. I was supposed to pick up Wacky Wednesday from Rich two weeks ago but all of his plants were reverted fans. Luckily for me, he's honest and won't sell me a broken color plant until he's made sure that it's the genuine article.

That's interesting - I have some broken color cultivars here and some seedlings too - non of them ever showed any reverted fan.

I was getting that effect back in the nineties when I was painting backdrops for the theatre. A twenty by forty foot canvas (muslin actually) had to be painted on the floor. We painted it in our sock feet careful where we walked to avoid wet areas. Occasionally a gallon bucket of paint would get kicked over.

Voilà, broken color, not worth much.

Charley

Nightlily said: I have some broken color cultivars here and some seedlings too - non of them ever showed any reverted fan.

Reversions depend on several different factors. One is the cause of the broken colour. Those caused by "jumping genes" (transposons) can revert - that is the error can be repaired. Broken colours with other causes may not be repairable.

Whether a broken colour characteristic reverts may depend on the particular transposon involved. However, it may also be simply a matter of time and numbers. Hybridizers/sellers of daylilies may reduce the number of fans of a particular cultivar to low numbers because of their sales, for example. That means the population of their broken colour cultivars go through bottlenecks. It may take many years/decades for the broken colour to revert, but if it does so in one or more plants unknowingly (for example without flowering) that then becomes the ancestor of all the plants of that cultivar in the garden then it is lost from that garden.
A possibility is that the reversions (which are basically repairs of errors) are not random but are affected by particular environmental factors. That can mean that the loss of the broken colour may happen in different cultivar lineages simultaneously not only in one garden but possibly in different gardens in the same region.

Here is a future Todd intro:

Not a fan of most of the color brake daylilies, but this one appeals to me.

I like the look of color break.
But these prices exceed my budget so much, LOL.
I'd rather grow the color breaking Mirabilis jalapa.

Other than looks, is there a reason why Starman goes for $2500 and gets sold, but STONE PALACE STREAKER which is also a daylily with broken color pattern is selling for so much less at $250 but it is not getting bid on at this time?

Scapehunter said: Starman (name approved by AHS)---Howard 2022—Wolverine X Undefinable—28"/6.5"—M, Sev, Tet. Two way branching and 14 buds. Fertile both ways. Light yellow with a toothy edge and variable patterned color breaks of purple stripes, spots, and streaks.

Take a look:

https://www.daylily.com/cgi-bi...

So I'm the guy who hybridized Starman. I have trouble finding time for informative forums like this but someone sent me a link to this thread. The image with the ruler is embarrassing LOL I apologize for my lack of attention to detail--and I actually have a degree in civil engineering.

@kousa, some sellers attract a bigger crowd. If Rich Howard was selling the same plant it would most likely be a different story. Most seem to be look alikes. I have seen one with teeth. "Different strokes for different folks" as the saying goes. Steve's Clown Pants is throwing out some nice offsprings.

@ctdaylily , Rich we crossed posted.

Stone Palace Streaker (Evick, 2021)
height 22 inches (56 cm), bloom 7.5 inches (19 cm), season EM, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, 12 buds, 2 branches, Cream, near white with spots and streaks on petals and sepals, green throat.. (Stone Palace Splash × Undefinable)

Stone Palace Splash (Evick, 2020)
height 36 inches (91 cm), bloom 8 inches (20 cm), season EM, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, 25 buds, 4 branches, Yellow overlayed with washed, small red dots, large green throat.. (Stone Palace Curtain Call × (Just a Mirage x Firecracker Parade))

Stone Palace Curtain Call (Evick, 2016)
height 38 inches (96 cm), bloom 9.5 inches (24 cm), season EM, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, Fragrant, 35 buds, 5 branches, Unusual Form Cascade, Light cream yellow with a green throat. (((Ripples × Mount Herman Marvel) × (Red Volunteer × Mount Herman Marvel)) × ((Watership Down × Lounge Lizard) × Webster's Pink Wonder))

Wolverine (Gossard, 2010)
height 38 inches (96 cm), bloom 7.25 inches (18 cm), season MLa, Rebloom, Dormant, Tetraploid, Fragrant, 38 buds, 4 branches, Rose pink with white gold claws and lighter rose pink eye above yellow green throat. (Dragon Fang × sdlg)

Does 'Undefinable' really reduce the bud count that much?

Wolverine (38 buds) x Undefinable (13 buds) - > Starman (14 buds)
Stone Palace Splash (25 buds) x Undefinable (13 buds) -> Stone Palace Streaker (12 buds)

Hazelcrestmikeb said: @ctdaylily , Rich we crossed posted.

Must mean good luck LOL

Thanks, Mike! I guess an established name/business goes a long way!

admmad said:
Does 'Undefinable' really reduce the bud count that much?

Wolverine (38 buds) x Undefinable (13 buds) - > Starman (14 buds)
Stone Palace Splash (25 buds) x Undefinable (13 buds) -> Stone Palace Streaker (12 buds)

My best Seedling out of Undefinable has about 17 buds per scape - its from Open my Eyes (21-25 buds) x Undefinable (13 buds)



The second best has about 15 buds per scape and reblooms in warm summers -
Magic Amethyst x Undefinable, there is no data about the bud count of Magic Amethyst available but mine has more than 15 buds (flowers longer than this seedling, but never rebloomed up to now).



I hesitate to register the first one because of the low bud count - even if it's better than on Undefinable and the seedling survives winter without protection (Undefinable does not).

And yes - they are more or less Undefinable-look-alikes and that was not the goal so I'm going on to work on different colors, more ruffles and of course more buds.

They are beautiful. I love the faint streaking on the second one

sedumzz said: They are beautiful. I love the faint streaking on the second one

Both are parents now - maybe next year I will be able to post pics of their overwhelming children?
(made crosses with Rich Howard, another similar striped seedling and EITPF)

Really like the second one!

Beautiful, Sue! I'm sad that we won't be able to access your children, here in the USA

beautiful, Sue!

Zoia said: Beautiful, Sue! I'm sad that we won't be able to access your children, here in the USA